[wingnut60]

I have a 2007 F350 DRW 4x4, and have an actual loaded weight of 8940lbs--what I had in there at the time I don't remember, except it probably had 400+lbs diesel in the extra tank, + wife, 2 small dogs and some firewood. 8940 with a 13000 gvw leaves me 4060 lbs for a 4200 lb pin weight. This has worked fine for 2+ years, but miles are piling up (92K) and I am currently looking for a 450 that I can afford. There is an option pkg with the 350s now (Tow Boss+Monobeam Wide Track) that increases tow capacity, but not carrying capacity.
The 08/09 Fords have a more powerful engine, and will change again in the 2010 year run sometime to a 6.7L, due to emissions standards once again. So far, only 2 injectors replaced and a small oil leak--all warranty.
I think all the mgfs are making good vehicles, but Ford leads with the 450 if you want to keep a standard pickup configuration.
Joe