[Notanlines]

The reason I ask is because they both make a lot of claims as if they know what they're talking about, but never seem to be able to back up or follow through with what they say. I am familiar with the 450's and their low pin weight. One of our old Raptors was a triple axle and I had a hard time explaining to them that what went into the garage didn't simply come off the pin weight. Like you, I didn't save any tickets, but for an 1100 pound bike and sidecar and all the gear it only lightened the pin by about 125-150 pounds or thereabouts. One of those guys won't join us for our 'happy hour' anymore because two of our usual group (One of them a woman who pulled fuel for Exxon for thirty years or so) made fun of their mileage claims! I only wish our F450 actually DID get that mileage!