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terry and jo
12-04-2018, 01:11 PM
Considering our age, we have decided to look into the possibility of stopping the full-time RV living and look at other options. So, with some misgivings, we are offering up our 2010 Mobile Suites and 2008 Ford F450 for sale. Let's begin with information on the fifth wheel. Also, there is additional information at the very end that is important to any potential buyer, so be sure and look at the "Disclaimer" at the end.


Mobile Suites Fifth Wheel Trailer


Mobile Suites Package
Décor - Chestnut BlueWood Décor - Suite Oak
Hallmark Vinyl Plank Flooring in Living/Dining Area and Hallway (Aftermarket Mod)
Oak Faux Wood Blinds in Living and Dining Area (Aftermarket Mod)
Interior - Built-In Fireplace
Entertainment - 32" LCD HDTV
Home Theatre w/Surround Sound Package (Blue-Ray DVD Aftermarket Mod)
32" Sony LCD HDTV
Samsung 17 CU FT Residential Refrigerator (Aftermarket Mod)
GE Advantium Microwave/Convection Oven
3 Burner Range w/ storage underneath (Aftermarket Mod)
Hardwood Dinette Buffet with drawers/storage (Aftermarket Mod)
Prepped for Washer/Dryer
Prepped for Generator
Extreme Smart Sensor Water Pump
Queen Bed Suite
Sleep Number Bed by Select Comfort
Tub/Shower Combo
15K BTU AC Ducted Lo/Pro Both Front and Rear
Heat Pump in Front AC
Heat Pump in Rear AC
Comfort Air, Rain Sensor/Remote-Kitchen
Comfort Air, Rain Sensor/Remote-Bedroom
Hunter 5-Blade Ceiling Fan with Light Kit (Aftermarket Mod)
Xantrex 3000 Watt Inverter w/4 Batteries (THIS IS A TRUE SINE WAVE INVERTER)
Power Management System
Whole House Built In Surge Protect.
Progressive Industries Power Protection EMS HW50C Hard-wired (Aftermarket Mod)
Canadian All-Weather Package (Two 30,000 btu furnaces, heated holding tanks, additional insulation around sewer plumbing)
17.5" H Spare Tire w/Carrier
Hydraulic Rear Stabilizer Jacks
"Level Up" Side to Side Level. System
Monroe Gas Magnum Shocks
Wireless Remote System (Although not something I was comfortable with using. Operates Slides and hydraulic jacks)
Trail Air C/P w/Air Ride Pin Box with Tri-Glide Anti-chucking System
2" Boat Hitch Receiver & Wiring
4-Step Entry IPO 3-Step
Weather Pro Awning w/Weathershield
Weather Pro Dinette Slide Patio Awning
Roof Rack & Detachable Ladder
Thermopane Windows
100 Gallon Fresh Water Tank
75 Gallon Gray Water Tank
50 Gallon Black Water Tank
12 Gallon Hot Water Heater
Beefed up rear end for towing
8000 lb axles with sealed bearings
Kodiak disc brakes (Electric over hydraulic system.)
Pinless hydraulic landing gear
Frameless safety glass windows
All weather package
Water manifold
Equa-flex Suspension by Trail-Air
R-29 floor, R-25 Roof, R-16 Sidewalls
15” Triple box channel frame
Hydraulic slide outs with select push button controls
3 ¼” thick sidewalls
Storm/screen door
17.5 H tires
Power TV Antenna
80 Amp 12 VDC converter (Not certain this is actually there. I presumed that the Xantrex inverter was also a converter.)
Custom Painted exterior graphics
High gloss gel-coat fiberglass exterior
Soft-vinyl ceiling
LED exterior lights
Plywood floors
LED Lighting in Most Interior Lights (Non-Dimmable) (Aftermarket Mod)

Miles towed: 5700 miles


2008 Ford F450


King Ranch package


Equipped with a 6.4L diesel engine, automatic transmission with Tow/Haul feature, and 4.88 rear differential ratio. The truck is a two-wheel drive vehicle and will include a 22,000 lb capacity Reese fifth wheel hitch (already installed).


Current mileage on the truck is roughly 64,000 miles. The truck has been faithfully maintained with regards to oil changes and had new tires installed in June of 2018. (Roughly 1500 miles on the tires.) This is a two-owner vehicle with the first owner only having the truck for one year. We purchased the truck in the fall of 2009 and it had 46,000 miles on it at the time.

Being a King Ranch version of the truck, it has cowhide leather seats (meaning a much heavier leather than most seats.) It also has a rear DVD player and screen with two sets of headphones (never used.)


Disclaimer and Additional Information


The main thing with regards to a disclaimer is that we have priced the Mobile Suites at a low price due to axle issues. The trailer is equipped with two 8000 pound axles with Lippert Never-Lube bearings and axles. Two of those bearings (both on one axle) have begun to show leakage, and since parts are no longer available for the Lippert Never-Lube hubs, new axles will be needed. Additionally, the tires are in good shape, although they are getting along in age. I have not seen any evidence of cracking of the tires, but they will probably be needing to be replaced within about a year.


We have priced the Mobile Suites at $48,000 and the Ford F450 is priced at $35,000.


The truck will not be sold separately unless the Mobile Suites has already been purchased.


Additionally, there is the distinct possibility that the Honda EU3000iS portable generator will also be included in the sale (said generator is about 15 years old but still in good condition). I should also add that some things that we currently have in the RV may be included in the sale, such as some RV parts and other items of interest to the buyer(s) that we will no longer need.


Other options for any buyer(s) would be that they may choose to accept or decline the furniture currently in the fifth wheel. Those include the Select Comfort mattress (some folks don't like them), the La-Z-Boy Reclinaway love seat recliner, and a jack-knife couch in the rear of the coach. Anything that the buyer(s) decline will be used to furnish an apartment for us.


Link to Pictures of Mobile Suites and Ford F450 (https://terrymiller.smugmug.com/Our-Home-on-Wheels)

Walt
12-04-2018, 05:33 PM
Terry, For your information the bearings are available from etrailer. They are a Chinese bearing but are available. I bought one from them, to have a spare just incase one failed out on the road. The hubs are NOT available. Walt

wingnut60
12-04-2018, 09:17 PM
I would get the bearings replaced before trying to sell it with the idea of the new owner first thing having to replace the axles. I think the bearings are available from more sources than just eTrailer, but certainly eTrailer makes it easy to find them.
Surprised to hear you are going back to house living--have followed you ever since you got the Suites. We went FT May '17.
Best of luck to you with the sale and change of livestyle.
Joe

Cummins12V98
12-05-2018, 12:30 PM
Terry wherever life takes you best of luck!!!

terry and jo
12-05-2018, 06:15 PM
Slade at Rolling Retreats was the one that did the checking for parts for the Lippert Never-Lube bearings. Now, I don't know where he checked, but etrailer was mentioned, and he was told that the "source" ran out of both hubs and bearings about 6 months ago.


As for us not changing the axles prior to selling, we thought that any new owner might want the choice of axles that were installed. In addition to MorRyde, one can get axles with regular tapered bearings that one takes out and inspects and repacks, or there are axles by Dexter that have another form of Never-Lube bearing.


We will end the full-time RV'ing, but we are even now looking at smaller travel trailers that can be pulled with our Expedition. With that for an RV, we could still do some RV'ing, perhaps a couple of months in the Spring and a couple of months in the Fall. I'm not giving up on traveling and photographing the beauty we get to see.



As for photographing beauty, check out the Smugmug link in my signature to go to my Smugmug site. Click on "Browse" and you'll see folders and galleries and each folder has additional folders and galleries.



Terry

oldbird
12-07-2018, 08:42 AM
I just bought 4 nevlube bearings at trailer parts superstore.

terry and jo
12-07-2018, 05:42 PM
I just bought 4 nevlube bearings at trailer parts superstore.


Are they the bearings for the Lippert system or the Dexter system?


Terry

Walt
12-07-2018, 07:02 PM
Terry, As far as I know the nerlube bearing fits both systems. I had a 2010 MS a few numbers from you and the one I bought from etrailer was the right one. Walt

wingnut60
12-07-2018, 07:22 PM
Far as I know, there is only one NevRLube bearing for our trailers--the 50mm one. It was the one on my '05 w/7K axles and the same one on the 8k axles I replaced the 7ks with.
There is a 42mm bearing that isn't for our Suites at all.
And there is no way to put regular bearings on a NRL axle.

oldbird
12-07-2018, 08:23 PM
Yes they are Terry, I paid $400 for 4 and they are usually $150 for one. 50mm one's.

terry and jo
12-08-2018, 04:00 PM
Next question:


Where are you finding these bearings?



Also, one of the things I did discover with regards to hubs was that they were definitely out of the hubs for the 17 1/2" wheels. (We were going to just order hubs and replace those.) So, are those 50mm bearings ones for a 17 1/2" wheel hubs?


Terry

oldbird
12-08-2018, 04:21 PM
I run them with 17.5 tires and rims when my MS came with 16" wheels.

https://www.easternmarine.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=50mm+never+lube+bearing

wingnut60
12-08-2018, 07:53 PM
I did the same thing--replaced the 16s with 17.5s--same hubs, but they were the electric brakes.

terry and jo
12-09-2018, 05:33 PM
I run them with 17.5 tires and rims when my MS came with 16" wheels.

https://www.easternmarine.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=50mm+never+lube+bearing


That link is taking me to a site with bearings for Dexter. So, I guess the next question is whether the Lippert axles on our Suites has Dexter hubs or not. I'm not in a position to want to spend $300 to $600 on bearings that won't fit.


I have to apologize because while I know you guys (for the most part) on the forums are pretty danged knowledgeable, but I'm still skeptical. Should I be crawling under there again and finding any numbers on the hubs instead of the axles? The labels on the axles themselves definitely state "Lippert," so I don't know if Lippert used Dexter hubs in 2010.



Terry

Walt
12-09-2018, 07:00 PM
Terry, Just buy the 50MM bearings and have someone or Slade install them. As someone said it is the SAME bearing for either hubs. No need to buy new hubs. Installing new bearings, I feel, would be a better way to sell your trailer rather than tell a buyer that they'll have to deal with new axles. I faced this same issue but decided to trade it in on a new 2019, which I did. I got a 36' instead of a 32' and got many new features that the 2010 didn't have. Walt

wingnut60
12-09-2018, 10:10 PM
I feel the same as Walt above--the NRLs/50mm are the same whether Lippert or Dexter axles--and I think there is now a connection between the 2 companies. Remember that the bearings need to be pressed out/in--much harder to hammer them out without damage like the old school ways we did back when...

Terry,
Here is another thought: my NRLs on the '05 showed a small amount of grease on the back side for a long time--had them replaced before a trip to AK. All 4 bearings proved to be good upon removal, even tho there was signs of grease on the wheels. The only mentioned method of checking the NRLs is vertical movement with weight off the wheel--movement of 1/4? in/out is indication of wear. There is a stated movement distance somewhere on the web, not sure it is 1/4"
You have very low miles for the age, I think you may have a non-problem.

Cummins12V98
12-10-2018, 10:35 AM
Kevin at Kodiak told me a small amount of grease is normal on the back side. When you start seeing MORE grease it's time to replace!

terry and jo
12-10-2018, 12:59 PM
OK. Here is what I'm seeing that concerns me. The "leakage" is on the wheel and not on the back side of the hub. The one wheel looks cleaner than the other, but I was thinking that both were close to the same. We did have some pretty high winds here in Oklahoma a week or so ago, so the wind might have scoured off some of the grease.


Both leaking hubs are on the same axle, with this first picture being on the door side of the coach.


https://photos.smugmug.com/Nonsense-and-Other-Photos/Nonsense-Stuff/Non-Specific-Nonsense/i-8VDBdVg/0/2f1189b1/X2/DSC_8007-X2.jpg (https://terrymiller.smugmug.com/Nonsense-and-Other-Photos/Nonsense-Stuff/Non-Specific-Nonsense/i-8VDBdVg/A)


This is the wheel on the off-door side.


https://photos.smugmug.com/Nonsense-and-Other-Photos/Nonsense-Stuff/Non-Specific-Nonsense/i-k5ZJZNz/0/1ba821ee/X2/DSC_8008-X2.jpg (https://terrymiller.smugmug.com/Nonsense-and-Other-Photos/Nonsense-Stuff/Non-Specific-Nonsense/i-k5ZJZNz/A)


I was in touch with a mobile RV repair guy here this morning, and he gave me the name and number of a guy that will "press off/press on" bearings at the person's site. I think I'll call him and sound him out with the issue. I really would like to get the repair done with just bearings and not have to replace axles.


Thanks, Guys.

wingnut60
12-10-2018, 01:12 PM
Terry,
With the age of the bearings, I think you are well-served to consider the replacement. I said earlier you might not have a problem, but best to head it off before selling it.
Hope you can get the project done without to big a hassle.
Joe

wingnut60
12-10-2018, 01:12 PM
Terry,
With the age of the bearings, I think you are well-served to consider the replacement. I said earlier you might not have a problem, but best to head it off before selling it.
Hope you can get the project done without to big a hassle.
Joe

porkchop
12-10-2018, 01:54 PM
As few miles as you have, regardless of the years, I would give it a wash and feel very comfortable selling it to someone. These last for many miles.

Bill

anijet
12-10-2018, 08:00 PM
By the appearance of the wheel in the first pic I would certainly replace that bearing. I speak from experiencing a failure after the wheel looked like that for a while. It took out the spindle and required a new axle installed during a trip. Kind of messes with best made plans.


BTW, Kodiak and Dexter both use the same 50mm bearing. The problem with Nev-R-lube bearings is there is no way to inspect them. The wheel shake test is a joke. The bearings and races can be in bad shape and still "feel" ok. These bearings do not give much warning. To inspect properly requires destroying the bearing to do so. I no longer have Nev-R-Lube installed.


Suggest you replace all 4 bearings, sell the rig and tell the new owner they were replaced as a precaution and let the new owner do their own research.

terry and jo
12-11-2018, 09:38 AM
Leo,


That's our thinking at the moment. Replacing all four and being free of the bad feeling that we sold something defective.


We thought we were in pretty good shape because on one of the DRV forums over the years, someone had stated that trailers that got moved a lot would wear out the bearings faster. However, in our case, we have tended to stay long term in each place we stopped: 20 months in Colorado, 17 months in Oregon, and 9 months in Utah. So, maybe NOT moving the trailer is more damaging to bearings than otherwise. Doesn't seem to make logical sense, but we have less than 6000 miles on them and two are leaking.


Terry

anijet
12-11-2018, 10:00 AM
IMO, and I have no proof, I think it is all in the seal. If the seal stays pliable and in contact with the mating surface, the bearing will last as expected. If for whatever reason the seal leaks and lube can escape and contaminants enter then it will be short lived. A properly installed and properly loaded bearing failure not related to clean and plentiful lube is usually a manufacturing defect and will fail very early in its life.


In the aircraft industry, an aircraft that sits will have far more seal failures than one that is flown every day, whether they are simple O rings, garlock seals or even multi-stage lambrith seals that make almost no contact.

wingnut60
12-11-2018, 10:48 AM
Terry,
Where in UT did you stay?
Joe

Cummins12V98
12-11-2018, 11:46 AM
"The problem with Nev-R-lube bearings is there is no way to inspect them."

You can look right at the bearing from the back side. Remove the hub metal cap and pop the cap from the hub. Slight amount of grease showing they are fine large amount they are going bad.

stanleyz
12-11-2018, 03:47 PM
I tried to get the 50mm from dexter last summer and they did not want to admit they even had them. Told me to call a retailer. So if you want them new from Dexter you can try Waymier in Indianapolis (may not be spelled right but close) or Safety Brake in Mableton GA (suburb of ATL). I think either would ship at your expense. I also think you can find the Dexters new from a trailer supply in any large city. Hope this helps.

wingnut60
12-11-2018, 04:50 PM
Might also try Redneck Trailer Supply if you can locate one.

terry and jo
12-13-2018, 02:11 PM
Terry,
Where in UT did you stay?
Joe


Joe,


We were in Utah for 9 months as camp hosts at Hitch-N-Post RV Park in Kanab, Utah.


Other than that, our other "stays" were overnight ones in Springville, UT (don't ever stay at the KOA there) and in Green River, UT.



Terry

terry and jo
12-13-2018, 02:15 PM
IMO, and I have no proof, I think it is all in the seal. If the seal stays pliable and in contact with the mating surface, the bearing will last as expected. If for whatever reason the seal leaks and lube can escape and contaminants enter then it will be short lived. A properly installed and properly loaded bearing failure not related to clean and plentiful lube is usually a manufacturing defect and will fail very early in its life.


In the aircraft industry, an aircraft that sits will have far more seal failures than one that is flown every day, whether they are simple O rings, garlock seals or even multi-stage lambrith seals that make almost no contact.


I'm not the best mechanic in the world, but what you were saying about the seals failing if the aircraft sit for long periods could be similar to our issue. Not being able to inspect the bearings with our moves, I did buy an infra-red thermometer thingie to check the temperatures of the wheels near the center at each stop. The only variations I seemed to get was more in line with both on one side of the RV rather than one axle verses the other.


Terry

Walt
12-13-2018, 03:37 PM
Terry, Sometimes the temperature variation from one side to the other is because the warmer side is facing the sun while your driving down the highway. This happens to me all the time. Just a thought. Walt

terry and jo
12-15-2018, 01:04 PM
Yeah. I had that same thought as well. With regards to the bearings, a mobile RV repairman gave me the name of a guy that can come out and install bearings onsite instead of having to take everything to their shop and press bearings in and out. I'll be checking with him, probably after the first of the year.


Terry

Cummins12V98
12-16-2018, 09:48 AM
Terry, Sometimes the temperature variation from one side to the other is because the warmer side is facing the sun while your driving down the highway. This happens to me all the time. Just a thought. Walt

That along with camber of the road and wind.

terry and jo
02-16-2019, 10:55 AM
Time to update things here.


We've had a local mobile RV tech come out to look at our axles/hubs and give us an idea of what we could do. Apparently, the Dexter bearings would work, but when he checked with Lippert (our axle manufacturer, at least by the tag on the axles), they told him that if we bought one axle at regular price (around $1900), we could buy the second axle for $100. With the two axles and labor (which can be done right here in our RV site), the price for the two axles would be around $2500 or maybe a bit less.


We told the tech to go ahead and order them. While we could have bought the Dexter bearings a lot cheaper, the tech said he would have to "engineer" something with which to put against the bearings to push them out and in.


Going this way, we will be getting the EZ-Lube bearings, an idea which I like instead of still having sealed bearings that are hard to inspect/replace.


Oh, and we had asked for estimates elsewhere on replacing the axles and got back estimates between $5700 and $6500 for replacing the two of them.


Terry

porkchop
02-16-2019, 01:36 PM
Sounds like you have found a reasonable solution at a livable price. Good luck

Bill