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Jimfla
11-18-2017, 07:00 AM
Is anybody towing a 36tk3 with a single wheel 3500 or 350

wingnut60
11-18-2017, 07:10 AM
I did for a short time with a 350 short bed, no real problems except I was overweight on the axle/tires.
For real-world numbers, my '05 36TK3 had a Pin Weight of 4240lbs.....putting 4200lbs on the rear of a SRW is not a great idea, but have seen several towing that way.
Joe

Stripit
11-18-2017, 08:32 AM
Is anybody towing a 36tk3 with a single wheel 3500 or 350

Yes there were and probably still are many. Back when I was weighing the RV's by wheel position with drive on scales, 100% of the single rear wheel pick up trucks were over either rear axle gross, rear tire gross or truck gross weights, or maybe a combination of 2 numbers. That didn't make each truck that was over break down on every trip, but those weight numbers are there for a reason and some folks choose to ignor them. Once they drove ove my scales they were more informed as to what they had against what they needed.

Cummins12V98
11-18-2017, 11:42 AM
Is anybody towing a 36tk3 with a single wheel 3500 or 350

BAD idea! Most likely your rear tires will be overloaded. Evasive maneuver may prove to be the last maneuver.

The "Lightweight" 5er's may be fine but any 36' MS should be towed with 6 tires.

oldbird
11-21-2017, 09:53 AM
I did for a short time with a 350 short bed, no real problems except I was overweight on the axle/tires.
For real-world numbers, my '05 36TK3 had a Pin Weight of 4240lbs.....putting 4200lbs on the rear of a SRW is not a great idea, but have seen several towing that way.
Joe

Is that with your fresh water tank full Joe?

Cummins12V98
11-21-2017, 10:55 AM
Towing our 36' SB3 it had 4,500# pin weight and I typically would keep about 15 gallons fresh on board.

These RV's are HEAVY, most of the weight added is in front of the axles and goes right to pin weight.

wingnut60
11-21-2017, 01:46 PM
Yeah, and a full load of feathers....

oldbird
11-21-2017, 08:46 PM
Towing our 36' SB3 it had 4,500# pin weight and I typically would keep about 15 gallons fresh on board.

These RV's are HEAVY, most of the weight added is in front of the axles and goes right to pin weight.

Makes me want to do what I did with my last 5er, a Travel Supreme. I mounted a deck on the back and put my generators and battery pack on there. It equaled out the weight on the front end. My dually can handle the weight but I just worry about the axle bearings, etc. I've broke down many times in the last 14 years and after a repair I like to take a shower so I carry more then 15 gallons. Also if I can't find a campground I'll stay in Wally World. I haven't done that in a couple years but you never know, lol.

stanleyz
12-12-2017, 07:04 PM
Here ya go. Did it for a year or so. Air bags and upgraded tires on rear axle. Rear axle weight should never exceed the tire ratings. It towed fine and was good on the highway. A little pushy on curvy and mountain roads.

Jimfla
12-13-2017, 09:15 AM
Do you know what you had for hitch weight

stanleyz
12-13-2017, 11:20 AM
Not sure. RAWR was around 6000 I think and I was right around that. As I recall I used air bags to keep level and went up one tire rating. Best thing to do is weigh the rig. They say hitch weight is 17 to 20 % of total. My present truck and trailer was 25,000 loaded and hooked up. Truck weighs at least 9000 maybe more fueled. So the trailer was 16,000 loaded. 3200 lbs should be close. I read folks saying they have over 4000 on the pin but I'm dubious. Maybe with a gen set, but even with a gen set (300 lbs or so) 4000 lbs is 25% of 16,000 and that just seems like too much. Hope this helps.

wingnut60
12-13-2017, 01:27 PM
The 36TK3 I had for 10 years consistently weighed from 4100-4400. I had the genset and washer/dryer, + dishwasher on the trailer. Usually loaded with more than we needed for a given trip, but went to AK twice with it and no problems with the tires/suspension/hitch.

When going forest camping, it would always have full load of water on board.

In my last year of owning it, seems there was a beginning of movement/flex in the transition area to the upstairs, but no cracks ever formed.

stanleyz
12-13-2017, 01:57 PM
How are you weighing that. I dont have the gen or the washer dryer and You full timed so i imagine you have a lot more in the basement than i do but my trucks rear axle just wasn’t heavy enough for the trailer to be putting 4000 lbs on it. I cant find my weigh slip right now though so i dont know exactly what it was. To be absolutely honest though i have never directly weighed the pin. So im thinking a washer and dryer and the genny could weigh 700 lbs or so and thats right on the pin. So what did your trailer weigh total.? No wonder u got a 450. Hows the new unit. I haven’t been on here much lately.

wingnut60
12-13-2017, 02:15 PM
Stanley,

Great to hear from you. I weighed the truck + trailer several times--the combo was always in the 26-27000 gross, and each time I got a pin weight, it was always over 4200, using CAT scales.

I pulled the same trailer with: '07 350 dually; '09 450; '10 450.

The new truck is simply amazing in the quiet application of power--no need for tuners and such. Took a hit trading as I had had to put a new long block in the '10, but it was showing too high temps pulling the new trailer. It would pull just fine, but the temps were always bothersome pulling a long hill.

The current trailer is a new-to-me 38RSSA and that is the load that made me do the trade--new trailer actually weighs 19400 and the '10 could just not climb a long hill without dropping to 25-30mph due to temps. It would pull fine, just was going to over heat.

So, went from the 36 to a 38 Suites, and have the new 450. Now back to working to pay for it all......

stanleyz
12-13-2017, 02:43 PM
If you were losing coolant it sounds like my 08 with a blown head gasket. I towed from Nashville to Glacier NP and then yellowstone and back home (ATL) after I blew the HG. If I wasn't towing it ran great and wouldn't even puke coolant. Anyway, the 6.7L is a keeper I think. My truck and trailer were under 26,000 on the scales with everything ready to travel. I'm hanging in there with my 05. Trying to keep it going with a lot of love but we are only out about 5 months a year and two of those are in fort myers where it doesn't move. Stay safeand merry Christmas

anijet
12-13-2017, 05:49 PM
Another 36TK3 pin weight data point - 4380# rear axle difference between trailer hitched and truck alone on CAT scale (7940/3560). With washer/dryer, without gen, loaded for trip ~25 gal water and waste tanks empty.

stanleyz
12-13-2017, 06:15 PM
Wow. Thats 8000 lbs on the rear axle. Dont think im close to that. I gotta find my last weight slip. Maybe im having a senior moment.

wingnut60
12-14-2017, 03:36 AM
Stanley,
With my 450s, I was always at +9000 on a 9500 rated rear axle. Truck itself weighed 10400 loaded for long trips. 10400 + 4200 PW put me right at the 14500 gvwr on the truck.

stanleyz
12-14-2017, 06:49 AM
I cant find my weight slip so next chance i get ill weigh again and report back. I am suprised the 450 RAWR is 9500. My 350!drw is 9600. Makes no sense. In 2001 models the fifth wheel weight rating was “20,000 lbs less the weight of the truck”. Now that would mean a short f250 could pull more than the f350 drw. A lot more. Made no sense except to ford who didn’t want the running gear over taxed.

Jimfla
12-14-2017, 08:22 AM
Thanks guys for the replies.

Cummins12V98
12-14-2017, 11:36 AM
The 17 450 is only 9,500# ? That does not seem correct. Nor does the 14,500# GVWR rating on the 450, that puts it into the commercial territory. I thought all newer 350,450 and 3500's were ALL rated at 14K to keep them in the class 3 for licensing and insurance purposes?

My 15 3500 RAM has 6k front, 9,750# rear and 14k GVWR.

https://i.imgur.com/gwbzSaLl.jpg

wingnut60
12-14-2017, 01:07 PM
The 14500 was for the '09 and '10 models--it is now 14000 like all the rest.
I think the '17 is 9700, haven't checked, on the rear axle.
These trucks are generally heavier than a comparable 350/3500 and thus have a lighter payload to stay at the 14000 gross number.

Cummins12V98
12-14-2017, 01:20 PM
Thanks! It kinda sorta backs what I have said for a long time these trucks are MUCH more capable of 14K. The 14K is a NUMBER for licensing and insurance purposes that come into effect when the GVWR is 14,001# or more!

It's not possible to utilize yours or my RAWR and NOT exceed 14K.

It's a numbers game and I was kicked off another forum for stating the above.

clev
12-23-2017, 08:15 PM
At the risk of being ridiculed, I'll weigh in. I have a 2012 F350 KR, LB, SRW, 3.55's, with GVWR of 11.5k. The rear tires were 275/65/20's with max load of 3750 each. Towing capacity is listed at 15.7k and GCWR is 23.5k; my trailer is a 2017 36RSSB3 and was delivered at 16.3k pounds; overloaded from the beginning. Before I get flamed on numbers, I know that the GV and GC numbers are written in stone and cannot be changed, but due to Fords 2017 ratings, I disagree with that. I got rid of the sofa and theater seating and that dropped the tlr weight about 400 pounds; the replacements are barely over 100. I replaced all tires with 295's rated at 4080 pounds each and increased my load capacity by 330 pounds per tire; 1320 pounds total. I have added air bags at all 4 corners with onboard wireless compressor, the best Bilstien shocks and steering stabilizer, 1 3/4 inch rear anti-sway bar, trannie and diff covers for added fluid capacity and cooling, all fluids are synthetic, and programming to increase hp and torque. My truck is set up for towing better than the '17, but my truck is 'overloaded' by Ford's towing standards. Earlier in this year, I came across I-10 west through LA and had a north to south crosswind of ~35 mph, had no trouble, and wouldn't have known that I had the crosswind except for the news reports and trees and grass blowing on the road side. In July, I was in the mountains of Wyoming and SD; again, no trouble climbing or descending mountains. Braking? The trailer has disk brakes and stops before the truck brakes engage. I am perfectly safe and the numbers.......are just numbers.

wingnut60
12-23-2017, 08:59 PM
clev,
No argument with your position--but, what is the actual weight on your rear tires?
Joe

clev
12-23-2017, 09:16 PM
Cat scales have me at 7300 pounds on the rear tires, pin at 3800, and tires are rated for 8160. Total weight of the truck, hooked up, is ~12.4k; 900 over gvwr.

wingnut60
12-23-2017, 09:21 PM
That is good for a SRW. Happy and safe travels!

clev
12-23-2017, 09:23 PM
Thanks, wing.

Cummins12V98
12-24-2017, 10:21 AM
At the risk of being ridiculed, I'll weigh in. I have a 2012 F350 KR, LB, SRW, 3.55's, with GVWR of 11.5k. The rear tires were 275/65/20's with max load of 3750 each. Towing capacity is listed at 15.7k and GCWR is 23.5k; my trailer is a 2017 36RSSB3 and was delivered at 16.3k pounds; overloaded from the beginning. Before I get flamed on numbers, I know that the GV and GC numbers are written in stone and cannot be changed, but due to Fords 2017 ratings, I disagree with that. I got rid of the sofa and theater seating and that dropped the tlr weight about 400 pounds; the replacements are barely over 100. I replaced all tires with 295's rated at 4080 pounds each and increased my load capacity by 330 pounds per tire; 1320 pounds total. I have added air bags at all 4 corners with onboard wireless compressor, the best Bilstien shocks and steering stabilizer, 1 3/4 inch rear anti-sway bar, trannie and diff covers for added fluid capacity and cooling, all fluids are synthetic, and programming to increase hp and torque. My truck is set up for towing better than the '17, but my truck is 'overloaded' by Ford's towing standards. Earlier in this year, I came across I-10 west through LA and had a north to south crosswind of ~35 mph, had no trouble, and wouldn't have known that I had the crosswind except for the news reports and trees and grass blowing on the road side. In July, I was in the mountains of Wyoming and SD; again, no trouble climbing or descending mountains. Braking? The trailer has disk brakes and stops before the truck brakes engage. I am perfectly safe and the numbers.......are just numbers.


I am sure with all the upgrades you have done it does handle the load well. BUT the money you spent is far more than buying a Dually, I assume you already know that.

Getting rid of the sofa etc was NOT needed IMHO. That may have actually added pin weight, that is far more of a concern.

clev
12-24-2017, 10:56 AM
My truck was ~$75k in August, ‘12. I priced the SRW ‘17 equivilant to mine, that has a tow rating of 20.6k at ~$80k. Even though my truck stays garaged and is still basically new with only 45k miles, trade in would have been only in the 40’s ~ 50’s. So my truck and about $30k to trade. When I compared the specs on the ‘17, the engine, trannie, differential, suspension, and brakes were identical to my ‘12, except torque and hp. And with my engine mods, I’ve matched that, as well. I finally realized that it’s just a numbers game, and I wasn’t getting rid of my ‘new’ truck to play that game.

I really didn’t like the theater seating, and needed my lift chair. The gas cans and generator on the back rack off sets the weight of the pin.

anijet
12-24-2017, 11:07 AM
My truck was ~$75k in August, ‘12. I priced the SRW ‘17 equivilant to mine, that has a tow rating of 20.6k at ~$80k............ .

Can you tell us what make, model, wheel base/bed length and any other pertinent information on the SRW truck with a 20.6 trow rating? If I could find a SRW that wouldn't overload the rear tires and axle at a pin weight around 4400#, I might look into it.

clev
12-24-2017, 11:25 AM
Hi Leo. According to the 2017 Ford Brochure, all ratings are in compliance with SAE J2807:

Ford F350 6.7 diesel, SRW, 4x4, LB, and 3.55's:

GCWR-28,700 pounds and 5th Wheel/Goose Neck tow rating is 20,600 pounds, 5000 pounds more than my '12.

As previously stated, comparing to the '12, the brakes are the same size, shocks and springs are the same, differentials are the same, and except for torque and hp, engine and trannie are the same. I know they dropped some steel and used aluminum, but they can't drop that much steel to increase the ratings that much between the 2 vehicles. Do a google for '2017 Ford SuperDuty' brochure and you can verify the numbers.

clev
12-24-2017, 11:28 AM
I swapped my 275 tires to 295's and that increased the rear tire max load to 8160 pounds, up from 7500 pounds. The rear of my truck is 7300 pounds with a 3800 pound pin weight.

Cummins12V98
12-24-2017, 11:35 AM
How about the BIG difference in Exhaust Brake performance?

75K in 2012? Sounds like Canadian dollars?

Bottom line if it works for you thats great but the money spent will never be returned, that's just how it is when adding aftermarket items.

Anyone towing a MobileSuites should start out with a Dually plain and simple.

Towing and HANDLING a RV are two different things. Got to think about the unexpected. Of course all JMHO.

clev
12-24-2017, 12:05 PM
Cummins, I’ve read your other posts on this site and soitc, and respect your advice and opinions. But, I resent the fact that you are implying that I am lieing about the price if my truck. The base price of the KR was~$52k, the diesel option was $8k, tires $1.4k, navigation $2k, moonroof $1k, and a long list of other options. I don’t know what you have, but you won’t touch a KR for much less than $70k, sticker price. Oh; don’t forget tax.

Exhaust brake? Those are fairly inexpensive to add, and would probably be nice to have, but after ~45 years of towing RV’s, I’ve never had use for it. With the disc brakes on the MS, and Hill Descent on the truck, I have plenty of slowing and stopping power.

If I were in the market for a new truck, yes, I would probably go for a dually. But with what I have, I don’t need nor want one. And the SRW 2017 F350 is “legally” rated to tow any Mobile Suites up to 20k pounds.

Cummins12V98
12-24-2017, 02:57 PM
"75K in 2012? Sounds like Canadian dollars?" This is implying you are lying? Did NOT in any way suggest you have lied about anything!

NO you can't carry 4500# pin on a new 350srw, I did have that much pin on my 11 RAM Dually with our 07.5 36' DRV. 25% is a realistic pin weight for any two axle DRV. If you are referring to towing that all depends on the configuration of the truck and a light pin as when towing a gooseneck trailer with a standard 15% pin. Ratings are VERY deceiving.

If you looked at my public signature it says what i have to help everyone know for ease of discussions.


I understand why you did what you did but please don't give people the impression it's within specs to tow a 20K DRV with a 350srw.

I say you would have been money ahead since used diesel trucks hold their value well to have sole your truck and bought a DRW as you say you probable will if buying a new truck.

Merry Christmas!

clev
12-24-2017, 04:09 PM
Cummins, please don't make this personal. I'm not giving anyone impressions about anything; you are giving the impressions by stating 'you can and cannot' do something based on your ideas. I have done nothing but post facts based on Ford's SAE tow rating and also told everyone where to verify those numbers; they are not my numbers and I made no recommendations or advisements. But it is your prerogative to disagree with Ford if you want. And here are some more numbers, 'standard pin weight on most fifth wheels is 15-18% of GVWR, but can be as high as 24%'. That can be verified on page 34 of the 2018 Trailer Life Guide to Towing, and nothing was written about a 'light pin'. So, based on that, a 20k fifth wheel could feasibly have a pin of 3000 to 4800 pounds. But I'm thinking that most that are towing with SRW will really be selective on how they load the front.

Finally, I would never buy a used vehicle, especially a truck. It's never known how the vehicle was cared for or used; I'm not a trusting person

Cummins12V98
12-24-2017, 06:11 PM
Not personal but you need to be more informed about two axle DRV pin weights. Most DRV owners are fulltimers. Talk to the guy that used to weigh these rigs at rallies it will surprise you as it did MANY of the owners being weighed.

Bottom line it's what you can carry on your rear tires as in rear axle rating. Front axle gets at the most 200# added so that is never an issue. Tires are not always what dictate the axle ratings as mine is 9,750# but tire capacity is over 11K.

Oh I'm done bout ready to enjoy a nice meal.

clev
12-24-2017, 06:17 PM
I’m done as well; I’m fixing oven fried chicken for dinner and it’s almost ready. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.

Notanlines
12-25-2017, 05:03 AM
At risk of poking a mad dog through the fence with a stick, Clev might I ask you to either take a picture of the yellow sticker on the door post of your F350 and post it for us, or just read the cargo capacity for us from that sticker and post it here. No other figures, just the cargo capacity. What we are discussing here is a very important part of RV ownership, one that is ignored by more RVers than you can imagine.
Cleve, since your truck is the one that has been discussed, let's use yours for an example. It is a vehicle that is the heaviest of the heavy F350 SRW. King Ranch model loaded with every option known to modern man. And then to top it off you extended Ford's options with a list of your own. You then loaded the truck with a 5th wheel hitch, probably in the 200-250 pound range. More if it is an autoslider. Let's add 26 gallons of fuel, 37 gallons if you have a longbed. Let's add three adults at say 175 pounds apiece. Maybe you only have you and Momma....I'm just going by an average. Would you say that maybe you've added 100 pounds of options? Maybe carry some tools? Clev, we've added right at 1000 pounds to your F350 and the RV hasn't been hooked up yet. By your statement Ford has a good idea of what the truck can haul and tow. You can't go further than the 11,500 less 1000 pounds. Your truck probably weighs in the 8500 pound range. That leaves you 2000 pounds for the pin weight of your RV.
What I have given you are real numbers, not something I pulled out of the air. I'm not "picking on you," I'm just making a point for other readers who might have the same idea that Suites can be hauled within manufacturers spec's with a 3500/350. Sorry, but you can't get there from here. You have to go home and start over.
And congrat's to all who have kept this conversation civil and interesting.

Merry Christmas to everyone out there.

clev
12-25-2017, 07:53 AM
Notan, as stated in my last post, I’m done, so I’m not posting any additional numbers. However, I will post that I use a DRV approved gooseneck and ball, it’s just my wife and me, and we travel light. And, the only numbers for anyone should consider are the one’s officially posted by Ford and Trailer Life. Then, they can make an educated decision that ‘safely’ suits their towing needs. This is my final post on the topic. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Dmcfarden
03-08-2018, 05:45 PM
On the CAT scales, my 2012 36TKSB4 has a pin weight of 4,340 lbs. I don't have washer and dryer, nor dishwasher. It didn't have any fresh water in the tank and the waste tanks were empty. I do have a slide out basement tray, tool box, grill and some other basics in the basement area along with 2-6 volt batteries up front, no generator either. We aren't full timers and the front closet was empty and the trailer wasn't packed for a trip.

clev
03-08-2018, 07:15 PM
Hi DMC; I have no idea why your 36 has a pin so heavy. My 36 has six 6-volt batteries, a slide out tray, washer, dryer, and clothes in the closet. I’m not looking at my specs, but my pin is ~3800. I don’t know what the ‘TKSB’ stands for, but our trailers are built on the same frame. Did you weigh the front separate from everything else?

Dmcfarden
03-08-2018, 07:54 PM
Drive axle was 7600 after and 3260 before based on the weight slip receipts. I have the picture of the slips but couldn’t figure how to upload it. It’s a 36 TKSB3 with vanity slide in bedroom. Telescoping kitchen island.

clev
03-08-2018, 08:32 PM
My drive axle is 7300 loaded and 3440 empty. It’s a mystery to me why yours is so much heavier loaded and your truck is lighter. What is your tow vehicle?

anijet
03-08-2018, 08:41 PM
Here's mine. At that time it was a 2007 GMC DRW. First one is Truck only with hitch and aux fuel tank (don't remember fuel load). Second is with trailer, close to just how we brought it home from dealer. Third is loaded for a trip (probably cross country trip with typical 1/3 tank of fresh and empty black and gray). Little over 4300 on the pin. In all fairness fuel load difference between truck only and with trailer loaded to go could be ~450 but that would be shared with the front axle.

Clev's weight is doable since my empty trailer pin weight was ~3300#. I do have W/D.

clev
03-08-2018, 09:09 PM
Hi anijet. My total truck, 2012 F350 KR, LWB, SRW weighs in at ~8500 and front is ~5k unloaded, and about 12k hooked up.

Dmcfarden
03-09-2018, 08:10 AM
Clev. This was with my old truck. 2011 F350 SRW. My new truck is a 2017 F350 DRW. I realized I didn't add the hitch to the starting point weight which was about 240 lbs. So unloaded would be 3,500 lbs and loaded at 7,600 lbs. I'm still at 4,100 lbs. Does your MS have the front vanity slide out? Maybe that's the difference in pin weight.

porthole
03-09-2018, 08:27 AM
I use a DRV approved gooseneck and ball



Just noticed this. What are you using?

When I asked DRV about the Reese Goosebox (which Lippert has approved for their frames) DRV said no go.

I have the Goosebox on my current trailer and had some warranty issues, so I have a brand new Goosebox sitting in my garage. Was planning on putting on the new RV but the DRV "no-go" has be changing my plans.

clev
03-09-2018, 09:00 AM
Port, Mor-ryde makes an adapter plate specifically for adapting a g/neck to their DRV hitch. It is approved by both DRV and MR. My dealer installed mine prior to pickup. Also, g/necks are adjustable in a couple of places. After I got mine adjusted, I had everything welded, including where it was bolted to the pin. Go to MR’s site and you can find the plate there.

clev
03-09-2018, 09:04 AM
DMC, my hitch weighs less than 75 pounds, so that accounts for some of the weight. Also, I don’t have the vanity slide; that’’s probably the rest. But, it’s still a little confusing. My 4 extra batteries are close to 300 lbs and the washer and dryer are about 150.

porthole
03-09-2018, 12:46 PM
Port, Mor-ryde makes an adapter plate specifically for adapting a g/neck to their DRV hitch. It is approved by both DRV and MR. My dealer installed mine prior to pickup. Also, g/necks are adjustable in a couple of places. After I got mine adjusted, I had everything welded, including where it was bolted to the pin. Go to MR’s site and you can find the plate there.

The MOR/ryde page doesn't really show much with the gooseneck kit. At least with the PullRIte adapter it is fairly obvious.

Have a picture of what you are using?

clev
03-09-2018, 02:19 PM
Try this link:

http://www.morryde.com/products/72-gooseneck-adaptor-kit

It’s available from lots of online places. I’ll get a picture and post it when I get home.

clev
03-09-2018, 02:20 PM
Also, “to my knowledge”, this is the only
adapter that MR and DRV will authorize.

Dmcfarden
03-09-2018, 05:47 PM
Clev. Thanks for the information. My rig was similar to yours which I ran for 5 years. I'm close to retiring and decided it was time for a new truck and couldn't resist the new 2017 trucks. We were camping in Magnolia, TX last September and saw a MS 38RSS and he was using a LWB F350 SRW which appeared to have modifications to the rear axle and suspension. I was curious and wanted to talk with him, but they were away while we were there. This was the first trip in the new truck. I'm also thinking I'm going to have to get rid of my Curt Q24. Sure had a lot of chucking, which may be the CURT but I know I was nose high. Trying to help that, I recently added the Correct Track to my suspension which added 2" in height on the trailer which I hope helps, but I haven't hitched up yet so I'll see. I see you're in San Marcos. On the way back home we stopped by the Buckhorn Lake RV park in Kerrville, TX. Don't know if you've been there, but that's a first class RV park, one of the best I've been to.

clev
03-09-2018, 08:13 PM
I'm trying to attach pictures of my gooseneck.
The G/neck is a Convert-a-Ball and has a tow rating of 20k, pin is 4k. I've had the neck welded all the way around in 3 places and am sure the numbers will now exceed that.

clev
03-09-2018, 08:14 PM
This is kind of a side view. The 'U' shaped plate on the bottom is the More-Ryde adapter plate.

oldbird
03-09-2018, 10:58 PM
I can't help but asking, why a gooseneck? I have a 35' enclosed trailer for hauling stuff around but I think it a PITA hooking it up. Maybe there is a easy way to do it, IDK.

clev
03-09-2018, 11:05 PM
Hi Oldbird. Did you notice the white stripe on the front of the g/neck? I have a bed mat in the truck with 2 white stripes painted on either side of the ball extending back to the tail gate. I have a camera underneath the rear window aimed at the ball and rearward. When I'm backing up, I line up the stripe on the g/neck between the 2 stripes in the bed. Really, not too difficult, and my wife helps.

I opted for a g/neck because I didn't want the big 5th wheel contraption in the bed; added weight and clutter. So, with a g/neck when unhooked, my bed is clear.

oldbird
03-10-2018, 08:26 AM
Clev, that makes sense, thanks for explaining that. I don't use my 35' gooseneck very much so I was wondering about hooking up all the time. It would be nice to do away with the 5th wheel hitch.

porthole
03-11-2018, 12:59 PM
This is kind of a side view. The 'U' shaped plate on the bottom is the More-Ryde adapter plate.

Now I get it.
The Reese goosebox I have is completely different. But I got it because of the air bag feature. In close quarters I need to lift the trailer as high as I can get it to clear the side rails of my roll top cover.

And since I can't see the bed it is extremely difficult to hook up under any condition that is not perfectly level truck and trailer.

And I get a lot of practice doing that, one side of my truck is off the driveway (5-6" lower) when hooking up the trailer.

clev
08-07-2018, 08:32 PM
I just wanted to follow up on this thread, not antagonize anyone, nor create conflict. I just completed a 5000 mile trip with my truck and trailer through 9 states, which took me up and down many mountains, including 8 and 10 percent grades. The first was Palo Duro Canyon, south of Amarillo, TX; 10% winding road to the bottom of the canyon floor, and the same road back up. Others included the roads from Flagstaff around the Grand Canyon, South Rim, east side, and North Rim/Jacobs Lake; also long, winding climbs. Then the Bryce Canyon area and finally over into Wyoming and Northern Colorado; then back to Texas. The truck has excellent gauges and the readings for TFT, ECT, EOT stayed ~200 degrees. Pulling the steep long grades resulted in an effortless ~40 mph and <1000 EGT. Disc Braking/Engine Braking was also excellent. Overall, my idiot trip meter posted 10.3 for the entire trip, but I would guess it would be closer to 9.5. I am well pleased with the performance of this truck and just wanted to follow up on my previous statements. Properly equipped SRW trucks, especially the 2017 Ford F350, are fully capable of towing the MS. Don't take my word for it, go to Ford's web site and check the specs. Although mine is a '12, I have equipped it better than the '17.

Cummins12V98
08-07-2018, 09:28 PM
Off the lot NO they are not. You have done several upgrades.

clev
08-07-2018, 10:35 PM
Just in case anyone's interested, my truck was one of the trucks that was high lighted in DieselTech magazine this month. You'll know it when you see it.

porthole
08-09-2018, 07:28 PM
Just in case anyone's interested, my truck was one of the trucks that was high lighted in DieselTech magazine this month. You'll know it when you see it.

Link?



Extra character to meet the 10 minimum.

porthole
08-09-2018, 07:32 PM
Link?



Extra character to meet the 10 minimum.

Nevermind :cool:


http://www.dieseltechmag.com/2018/08/trucks-next-door-3

clev
08-09-2018, 07:46 PM
Thanks, port. I just saw the request for a link. I got my copy of the magazine a few days ago.

Cummins12V98
08-10-2018, 10:48 AM
Nice looking truck! Similar color scheme as mine.

clev
08-10-2018, 11:07 AM
Yes, she is a fine truck. I went on Ford’s site, built what I wanted, then did a search for it within 300 miles around my home. I found it in Houston, about 250 miles from me. Thank you, cummins