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Gemstone



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:34 pm    Post subject: Incorrect Federal ID Tag Reply with quote

Found on the RV.net web site today:

Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):
DOUBLE TREE / ELITE 2006-2010

DOUBLE TREE / MOBILE SUITE 2006-2010

DOUBLE TREE / SELECT SUITE 2006-2010

Manufacturer: DOUBLETREE RV Mfr's Report Date: JAN 11, 2011
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 11V012000 N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A

Component: EQUIPMENT:LABELS
Potential Number of Units Affected: 1,417
Summary:
DRV IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2006-2010 ELITE, MOBILE SUITE, AND SELECT SUITE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES. THESE VEHICLES HAVE THE INCORRECT FEDERAL ID TAG, GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT RATING (GVWR) INFORMATION LABELS WHICH FAILS TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF PART 567, "CERTIFICATION."
Consequence:
FAILURE TO FOLLOW PROPER VEHICLE LOADING SPECIFICATIONS BECAUSE OF A MISPRINTED LABEL COULD INCREASE THE RISK OF A CRASH.
Remedy:
OWNERS WILL BE PROVIDED WITH NEW FEDERAL ID TAG INFORMATION LABEL AND INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING JANUARY 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT DRV AT 1-574-457-6472.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Since it's a recall I suppose the tag must be indicating a GVW that is too high. There wouldn't be a problem if it was rated below the actual capacity. I'm curious how they came to the conclusion that the tag was incorrect.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they need to go back to the 16,500 LB. rating like our 2005s.
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I am interested to know.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NHTSA report does not specify, however they do list a phone number.

If I were to guess, I'd say they are weight labeled "too high"....

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, not to start anything, but I don't think I'll put too much faith in the opinion of a federal bureaucrat as to the capabilities of the frame and suspensions of an RV.

I would imagine that any reputable RV manufacturer wouldn't over-rate their units and risk lawsuits.

Terry

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

terry and jo wrote:
Well, not to start anything, but I don't think I'll put too much faith in the opinion of a federal bureaucrat as to the capabilities of the frame and suspensions of an RV.

I would imagine that any reputable RV manufacturer wouldn't over-rate their units and risk lawsuits.

Terry


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you owe me a new keyboard! I just spewed coffee all over this one. That's the funniest thing I've seen posted here in ages!!! Thanks for the funny start to the week. :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I would imagine that any reputable RV manufacturer wouldn't over-rate their units and risk lawsuits"....

Well I don't want to start anything either, but I have been around the block a time or two with this DRV rig....and I gotta ask...do you think DRV would be issuing updated weight stickers on their own volition ? I'd tend to believe the NHTSA got involved and probably for good reason. And isn't "reputable RV manufacturer" what you might call an oxymoron ?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH NO, we might have a lot of overweight rigs now with new weight tags!!! Some rigs were borderline before, now what.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Weight sitckers Reply with quote

I was really, really going to try and not post on this but I just can't help myself.

I don't want to start anything either but I have to agree with Gemstone. Knowing what I know about DRV and Lippert and the willingness of both of these five and dime store run rinky dink company's to turn their back on known defective frame issues (Lippert not addressing the problem and DRV not halting production until the problem was addressed) it does not suprise me at all that DRV would misrepresent their product.

Goes back to that reputable part again. You can not be considered reputable and ignore the above problems.

Safety is of no concern to DRV they could care less I just got back from the first Kansas City show and there was a 36ft Mobile Suite 4 slide there setting on 16inch tires and wheels. There is no way that you can have a 36ft Mobile Suite on 16's and not be over what the wheels and tires are rated for. Not my opinion just simple math. Everything DRV makes except the 32's should be on 17.5's or better yet 19.5's. They also should be on 9000lb axles.

Sorry if I have offended anyone here I did not set out to do that. I'm just stating fact.

As always good camping

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe, maybe DRV needs to go back to the three axle option(like in 2005), or just make them standard equipment.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:44 am    Post subject: Triple axle Reply with quote

Hey Huck,

Triple axle might be alright but I'm not a big fan of them as they put a lot of side load on bearings, wheels, tires and suspension due to the scuffing during turning.

In the case with Drv and their lack of engineering talent the triple axle option didn't work so well as they just tagged a third axle on behind the first two which increased the pin weight and did not make the axle carry enough of the load which aggravated the problem even more.


There are some triples out there I have a friend that has a Holiday Rambler with triples and it works fine for him. He does not full time or pull his trailer a lot. He doesn't have to worry about being to heavy on his axles tires or wheels.

I met Heath from Wheels RV in Springdale Ar while I was at the show as I recall he has a good track record here on the forum. He was very pleasant and sympathetic to my dilemma and offered to take care of any warranty or other issues that I may come across.

As always good camping

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone talked to a person at Drv????????? And three axles should be on all 38 footers. Weight is critical on the 38 footers there are many who fill every empty space. We learned that lesson back in 2007, I only take what is needed. I guess Drv will have to do something and I believe they will.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone have the facts yet?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I talked to a Dan Tower from DRV at the Havasu Rally and he didn't know anything about the label issue. Someone else from DRV was there but I don't remember his name and he didn't know anything either. This was the day after this post first started.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC 2006 was the first year that Mobile Suites started certifying 20k GVW units. When I looked at them at the first rally I did not see anything that was different from the previous (2005) models to indicate any change in either suspension or frame construction that would justify an increase of 1500 lbs in the GVW. They had the same dual 8k axles with the same H rated 17.5" tires on them.

I don't doubt that DRV will delay making any response to inquiries until their legal section has had a chance to write it up for them. That only makes sense to avoid additional liability concerns and with a federally mandated recall they are going to be very concerned with liability.

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