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Old 12-14-2017, 11:36 AM   #21
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The 17 450 is only 9,500# ? That does not seem correct. Nor does the 14,500# GVWR rating on the 450, that puts it into the commercial territory. I thought all newer 350,450 and 3500's were ALL rated at 14K to keep them in the class 3 for licensing and insurance purposes?

My 15 3500 RAM has 6k front, 9,750# rear and 14k GVWR.

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Old 12-14-2017, 01:07 PM   #22
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The 14500 was for the '09 and '10 models--it is now 14000 like all the rest.
I think the '17 is 9700, haven't checked, on the rear axle.
These trucks are generally heavier than a comparable 350/3500 and thus have a lighter payload to stay at the 14000 gross number.
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Old 12-14-2017, 01:20 PM   #23
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Thanks! It kinda sorta backs what I have said for a long time these trucks are MUCH more capable of 14K. The 14K is a NUMBER for licensing and insurance purposes that come into effect when the GVWR is 14,001# or more!

It's not possible to utilize yours or my RAWR and NOT exceed 14K.

It's a numbers game and I was kicked off another forum for stating the above.
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Old 12-23-2017, 08:15 PM   #24
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At the risk of being ridiculed, I'll weigh in. I have a 2012 F350 KR, LB, SRW, 3.55's, with GVWR of 11.5k. The rear tires were 275/65/20's with max load of 3750 each. Towing capacity is listed at 15.7k and GCWR is 23.5k; my trailer is a 2017 36RSSB3 and was delivered at 16.3k pounds; overloaded from the beginning. Before I get flamed on numbers, I know that the GV and GC numbers are written in stone and cannot be changed, but due to Fords 2017 ratings, I disagree with that. I got rid of the sofa and theater seating and that dropped the tlr weight about 400 pounds; the replacements are barely over 100. I replaced all tires with 295's rated at 4080 pounds each and increased my load capacity by 330 pounds per tire; 1320 pounds total. I have added air bags at all 4 corners with onboard wireless compressor, the best Bilstien shocks and steering stabilizer, 1 3/4 inch rear anti-sway bar, trannie and diff covers for added fluid capacity and cooling, all fluids are synthetic, and programming to increase hp and torque. My truck is set up for towing better than the '17, but my truck is 'overloaded' by Ford's towing standards. Earlier in this year, I came across I-10 west through LA and had a north to south crosswind of ~35 mph, had no trouble, and wouldn't have known that I had the crosswind except for the news reports and trees and grass blowing on the road side. In July, I was in the mountains of Wyoming and SD; again, no trouble climbing or descending mountains. Braking? The trailer has disk brakes and stops before the truck brakes engage. I am perfectly safe and the numbers.......are just numbers.
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clev,
No argument with your position--but, what is the actual weight on your rear tires?
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Cat scales have me at 7300 pounds on the rear tires, pin at 3800, and tires are rated for 8160. Total weight of the truck, hooked up, is ~12.4k; 900 over gvwr.
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That is good for a SRW. Happy and safe travels!
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Thanks, wing.
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:21 AM   #29
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At the risk of being ridiculed, I'll weigh in. I have a 2012 F350 KR, LB, SRW, 3.55's, with GVWR of 11.5k. The rear tires were 275/65/20's with max load of 3750 each. Towing capacity is listed at 15.7k and GCWR is 23.5k; my trailer is a 2017 36RSSB3 and was delivered at 16.3k pounds; overloaded from the beginning. Before I get flamed on numbers, I know that the GV and GC numbers are written in stone and cannot be changed, but due to Fords 2017 ratings, I disagree with that. I got rid of the sofa and theater seating and that dropped the tlr weight about 400 pounds; the replacements are barely over 100. I replaced all tires with 295's rated at 4080 pounds each and increased my load capacity by 330 pounds per tire; 1320 pounds total. I have added air bags at all 4 corners with onboard wireless compressor, the best Bilstien shocks and steering stabilizer, 1 3/4 inch rear anti-sway bar, trannie and diff covers for added fluid capacity and cooling, all fluids are synthetic, and programming to increase hp and torque. My truck is set up for towing better than the '17, but my truck is 'overloaded' by Ford's towing standards. Earlier in this year, I came across I-10 west through LA and had a north to south crosswind of ~35 mph, had no trouble, and wouldn't have known that I had the crosswind except for the news reports and trees and grass blowing on the road side. In July, I was in the mountains of Wyoming and SD; again, no trouble climbing or descending mountains. Braking? The trailer has disk brakes and stops before the truck brakes engage. I am perfectly safe and the numbers.......are just numbers.

I am sure with all the upgrades you have done it does handle the load well. BUT the money you spent is far more than buying a Dually, I assume you already know that.

Getting rid of the sofa etc was NOT needed IMHO. That may have actually added pin weight, that is far more of a concern.
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My truck was ~$75k in August, ‘12. I priced the SRW ‘17 equivilant to mine, that has a tow rating of 20.6k at ~$80k. Even though my truck stays garaged and is still basically new with only 45k miles, trade in would have been only in the 40’s ~ 50’s. So my truck and about $30k to trade. When I compared the specs on the ‘17, the engine, trannie, differential, suspension, and brakes were identical to my ‘12, except torque and hp. And with my engine mods, I’ve matched that, as well. I finally realized that it’s just a numbers game, and I wasn’t getting rid of my ‘new’ truck to play that game.

I really didn’t like the theater seating, and needed my lift chair. The gas cans and generator on the back rack off sets the weight of the pin.
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