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Old 02-14-2017, 09:07 PM   #11
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Amen to that.
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Old 02-15-2017, 12:00 PM   #12
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I would like your opinion on this. I was looking on the Ford Forum and saw this “there is no real difference between the F250 and F350 except 2” bigger rear blocks. When looking at towing a fifth wheel the most important things are to not exceed your front and rear axel GAWR, exceed your tires weight rating and your overall GCVWR” with that said I put together these numbers and want the forums thoughts.
My trucks front GAWR is 5600 lbs and rear GAWR is 6100 lbs my overall GCVWR is 23,500 lbs. My truck at the scales was 8060 with a front weight of 4800 and rear weight of 3260. Add a 100 lbs by taking off my hard shell and adding the fifth wheel hitch I would put my loaded truck numbers very close to 8160 with a front of 4800 and a rear 3360. The fifth wheel we are looking at is the Montana 3811MS it has a dry weight of 13400 and a pin weight of 2705 I know from weighing our current RV we have about 1200 lbs in cargo, gear and water when we travel on longer trips so that would put the fifth wheel at a loaded weight of 14600. When towing the fifth wheel I would think my rear weight would be 6065 which is under the GAWR on the door sticker of 6100 the overall GCVWR when towing would be 22,760 which is under the trucks 23,500 GCVWR the fifth wheel loaded would be 14600 which is under the 15200 that is listed as the max fifth wheel weight listed in the Ford 2012 tow guide. I am pretty sure the 6.7L diesel and the transmission in the truck is meant to do heavy duty work.
My question is this sound logic or am I just manipulating numbers to get the outcome I am looking for. I am pretty sure I will need to add air bags to the rear to help with squat other than should I be good or am I just dreaming…..
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Old 02-15-2017, 02:48 PM   #13
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>>The fifth wheel we are looking at is the Montana 3811MS it has a dry weight of 13400 and a pin weight of 2705 <<
It has been said many times the numbers posted by the sales team/manufacturer are wrong in the real world. Sometimes a little, sometimes a LOT! like thousands of pounds wrong without your toothpaste tube in the new rig. As we said before, yes you can hook up and tow your new trailer. Will one of a few of the magic numbers be over, maybe, will it make it unsafe to tow? probably not but without having real numbers it is still a guessing game. Thousands of F250/2500 series pick up trucks are out there towing and many are over the numbers somewhere. You don't see broken busted trucks scattered all along the highway. Having a larger capacity safety margin is what many of those truck owners move up to but not all. I can't say you will not be the one with problems, I always tried to lean to the side of more than less capacity.
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Old 02-15-2017, 03:19 PM   #14
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You need to find a Montana owner with one like the one you are looking at on the Montana Owners forum--should be a lot of action there, worlds' largest selling brand--and find out what the ACTUAL weight is as it is sold. It will be over the 'dry weight' listed, as Stripit mentioned, sometimes a LOT. My '15 Suites I just traded for has a 'dry weight' of 16300--I weighed it on way home with maybe 300lbs of personal stuff in it----18020!!!
You are going to be overloaded--manipulating the numbers won't change that. Even if the numbers happen to fit, you will be so near capacity on everything that just thinking about it will be uncomfortable. I said it before, your rear axle weight will have to be under 7500lbs--if you run close to that weight, you will be stressing the tires to the max.
Best you find a current owner of a similar fiver and see what they have to say....
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Old 06-13-2017, 06:26 PM   #15
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350 has heavier reared and leaf springs.
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